republicans, nancy pelosi and reid on the democrat side. very little involvement with anybody else. that is the one thing that bowles and simpson have. obviously they know people in the leadership, so it is unclear exactly how much influence these guys still have even with republicans attend to like bowles and ellen simpson. president obama wants nothing to do with either of them. he's holding fast to get them up. talking to legislative aides, they tell me no deal this week, nothing before thanksgiving and here is the question. when after thanksgiving? who knows, maybe they will intervene and will part the red sea. at least get an extension, but what i'm hearing, does not happen. here is the real issue, guys. the pressure on them mount is of course christmas comes. a huge selling season, huge for the economy. if everybody believes that taxes are going up, a fiscal cliff across the board tax increases, that'll be a real problem for the economy. and the leadership knows that. once thanksgiving is over, the clock starts ticking big-time for these guys and they know it. there's a lot of